Progress is not how much or how fast you can work. Progress is starting with a vision and working each and every day to bring it to life, no matter what the sacrifice.
The Cairo Team would like to inform you all that we are making steady progress. We have a new developer who goes by the name of James Sudbury, so we anticipate that once he gets acclimated to our work flow, development will speed up.
We are currently coding the final pieces of the menubar, which as you can see from the image above, is looking more and more like our concept (pictured far left). Next we will attempt to complete the taskbar and dynamic desktop system for the private alpha.
Ultimately we would like our Milestone 1 release to be December, so that is what we are shooting for - but remember - this date is provided as a method of giving our community an approximate alpha release, and is in no way set in stone.
Other than that, we can’t divulge much else. We are excited as the Milestone 1 release draws closer to becoming a reality and look forward to continuing our efforts to bring you all the most revolutionary shell available.
Thank you and best wishes,
-The Cairo Team
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Drey
September 13, 2008
cursor verrrry nice))) co0O0ol! i still vait this shell, thank you guys!
??: hello from Ukraine:)
montti
September 13, 2008
It looks very interesting.. Nice design.
Sherminatur
September 13, 2008
Oh my focking god…. In a little more than a month, you’ve managed to make a menu?
For fock sake… I can do that in a matter of _seconds_.
Hell.. I probaly can make a website with some photoshopped skilled screenshots of my imaginary shell alternative too.
Stop screwing around and put the deadline earlier so you can at least make _another_ menu until then. At this rate, Windows 7 will have been released and then gone obsolete before you’re done programming this pile of excrement.
What type of methodology, for getting this done, do you use? The “Oh, I think I’ll go take a dump and then do two lines of code before I go to bed”-methodology?
Michael
September 14, 2008
The menu is a metaphorical representation of our progress. If you read the article you will see our plans our for development extend beyond menus. Kindly take your cynicism elsewhere.
montti
September 14, 2008
It’s probably not that easy as it might seems to be..
I am really happy that you are making progress and looking forward to see more.
Anonymous
September 19, 2008
Looking good! still checking this site every now & then to check if you guys have a release date #1. December, looking forward to it. Then again, saying december as first date means you will never make that date ;).
@Sherminatur
You obviously never did a real IT-project :). Creating a menu can be done in a few seconds, creating a menu which is based on well written code and such can’t.
Anonymous
September 19, 2008
Hm why am I anonymous :(.
sea-monsters
September 20, 2008
Great!
I’ve been looking forward to this for a very long time!
What a great December!
Ludeawakening89
September 20, 2008
Hey Sherminatur! If your so freakin smart, why don’t you come up with a complete shell replacement of this magnitude.
OH my bad you may already have. You can probably find it on one of those free download websites with a lame virus enclosed that even MRT could get rid of. If your going to complain about stuff, don’t even come on this site. Most people that bash on new ideas are just jealous they didn’t think of it anyway. Peace out
Ludeawakening89
September 20, 2008
I think the progress is great. Keep up the good work guys, can’t wait until it’s finished.
Anonymous
September 22, 2008
Though Sherminatur’s language crude and he is extremely arrogant, he does have a point. I believe that progress on this shell is to slow and, as Sherminatur said, the next Windows operating system is likely to be out before this shell’s full functionality comes into fruition. Microsoft has stated that they tend to release their next OS in a little more than a year. As a developer, you must have a sense of balance between quantity and quality. I know that you want have a perfect shell but you must also have a sense of urgency. I suppose the best analogy I could use is that of an artist’s work. An artist will first create an outline of what they are to draw before they actually fill in anything. This helps he or she to see what their overall goal and has it is to be achieved. Like an artist, you should create a skeletal shell before filling in all of the perks, eye candy, functionality, etc. So, instead of spending your time on Photoshop creating gradients or what have you for your project, create the skeletal version of the shell then fill in the organs, arteries, veins, muscle tissue, and flesh , so to speak.
bwat47
September 26, 2008
Windows 7 is going to be VERY similar to vista and is built off of vista, it would not be too difficult to port cairo to vista when it comes out. Windows 7 is going to be a relativity minor upgrade.
Anonymous
September 26, 2008
@bwat47:
Windows 7 is complete re-write, it is not based on vista. NT 7 or Windows 7 will is an entirely new code base, sure the milestone builds look like vista. If you ever beta tested you would know Vista looked like Windows 2000 for awhile.
Calling it a minor upgrade is far from the truth.
@Cairo Team:
Anyways, the shell is really starting to look nice guys!!
mangacat
September 27, 2008
Hi I stumbled on this project while looking for a better file manager for windows. I am currently running the new Kubuntu KDE4 desktop on a dual boot and the new Dolphin file manager is fantastic , anyway when I saw your Cairo I thought this looks like just the thing. It looks very like Dolphin and I hope it has the same great functionality I use a basic Scite text editor for all my code and a good file manager makes organising my projects so much easier, great stuff folks I cant wait for the first alpha release and would love to have the privilege of testing it on my Windows xp I can also test it on Vista and even Nt4 if that would be useful , all the best with the project…
milan1612
September 28, 2008
Sorry to be rude - but this seems to be just vaporware. No serious developer would ever do it that way, it’s a good concept but the wrong approach.
David562
October 2, 2008
Sherminatur, This is not a webpage… It’s a PROGRAM DUMBSHYT!
BlazerArt
October 2, 2008
Looking good so far.
I’m looking forward to this project.
Anonymous
October 8, 2008
Well… it really looks nice. I’m also looking forward to this project.
As a developer I know that things take some time to get done, moreover developing for windows on that system layer. One thing is to make something to run on windows, other thing is to do some kind of integration within the OS itself. Still, I agree that you should take some things to work before you start doing the eye candy. People would accept a shell with no gradients at all just to be able to do a test drive and get to know how it feels. The Look-and-Fell couple would be important later on time. Anyway, keep up the good work
chensamurai
October 11, 2008
Cool, the “Places” menu style is like Ubuntu’s GNOME panel. I’m looking forward to the release of this Cairo Shell.
cubito_loserkid
October 20, 2008
nice
i cant wait!!
kornfan16099
October 25, 2008
I’ve been waiting for a while for this shell to be released, it’s great to see how muchh progress has been made to cairo and to see how you guys managed to overcome the problems and still have a swift release date.
To the people who seem to think that you could do this faster, go ahead and make something with this quality and put it on the web for people… or apologize for being ignorant… your choice.
Anyways… i’m really looking forward to the release and just wanted to say great work
Ruud
October 26, 2008
Very Nice Work! It remind me alot of the Hacker theme in Die Hard 4.0 And thats Great!
Tidus
October 29, 2008
how became i the alpha, where i must spend?
Ian30
November 1, 2008
The speed of the development is a minimal issue. The fact that a shell replacement of this magnitude is being developed is amazing. Windows Vista’s UI and Taskbar is terrible. I don’t see how Microsoft could have even released such a horrifying operating system. I’ve been on Mac ever since 2004. Perhaps, this may make me buy a Windows machine soon so I can have both systems at my disposal in anticipation of Windows 7. By the way, Windows 7 is not releasing until 2010. Do not complain of the time. I’m sure this will be released in reasonable time. Sherminatur, your attitude destroys any chance of me taking you seriously. Grow up.
psudobuddha
November 4, 2008
I am sorry, but for as long as you all have been going at this it seems as though it might as well be vaporware. i believe that the largest problem is that devs spend WAY too much time photochoping a f***ed-up-flipper-baby of OSX and vista and don’t actually code it. i believe the only way we will see a shell that pretty is if an open source group tackles it (which would still take FOREVER).
not intending to offend but:
SHOW US SOME ACTUAL RESULTS
have a good day
Michael
November 4, 2008
We’ve posted numerous images and even a video. I still find it funny how complete strangers to Cairo seem to care more about the project than we do - and we’re the ones coding everyday.
psudobuddha
November 6, 2008
but metaphorical progress isn’t convincing. pictures and videos annoy, and anger users if they cant actually use the product. i am an observer of this project and a potential user, but frankly don’t care if you allow your product to go up in smoke.
cubito_loserkid
November 8, 2008
SO, where can i see that video! i cant find it!
#
Michael
November 4, 2008
We’ve posted numerous images and even a video. I still find it funny how complete strangers to Cairo seem to care more about the project than we do - and we’re the ones coding everyday.
PurrBall
November 9, 2008
Video: http://www.cairoshell.com/forum/topic.php?id=636
Anonymous
November 9, 2008
Hmm.
I haven’t check back in a while but I was bored before bedtime and thought I would give it a shot.
Still no alpha?
I cant exactly *see* why it has taken you guys so long to achieve a… well… launcher, is it? A shortcut bar it seems to be.
The graphics are nothing special, so that cant have taken that long to do…
I don’t mean to be a doomsayer (again) but if it has taken this long to do the launcher, your explorer replacement is just not going to happen.
My prediction is one day Michael will make announcement along the lines of “sorry guys, we are dropping the explorer and concentrating solely on the launcher”.
Then all the fans will go “zomg your awesome!”
I don’t think Cairo is Vapourware, but I do think it has reach levels where a full release cannot be expected.
Win7 will hit before you finish, I will bet money on it. Then, you have to do your “relatively simple porting” which will take, what, a year at your development speed?
Just… give up. Stop getting all these people’s hopes up.
-Ash
Michael
November 11, 2008
Why would we give up? Because you think development is taking too long? Cairo has great potential and while none of you seem to be aware, Cairo is more than what we’ve shown and what will be given out in our alpha. Try not to be so short sighted making ridiculous assumptions.
trstn
November 12, 2008
Can’t help but feel this is getting more and more vapour the longer time goes on.
Lucky I found this on deviant art
http://retroflava.deviantart.com/art/Cairo-Inspired-BETA-84199623
vectorcell
November 12, 2008
I agree with trstn. Cairo is really starting to look like vaporware. The development is soooooooo long…. all this time for an alpha?!?! Imagine how long it would take to release the final… i say about 5 years?
Joshiii-Kun
November 17, 2008
Why is it starting to look like vaporware? I think that’s total nonsense.
Have you ever heard about the WINE project? It’s a pretty well known piece of software for Linux that emulates the Windows API. Do you know how long it took before it reached version 1.0?
It took 15 years. So what’s all this whining about vaporware? Five years? Sounds reasonable to me. Is it too long for you? Better cough up some patience.
Remember. This isn’t just a menu bar! This isn’t like RocketDock or whatever piece of additional software you might be thinking of. This thing actually replaces your shell. Do you even know what it takes to program a shell? A shell isn’t just a menu bar, you know?
It’s the graphical interface. And by that I don’t mean the theme. That’s just something additional that makes it look pretty.
So there. I don’t think this is vaporware at all. I think it’s going relatively well. Albeit a bit slow, but hey. WINE took 15 years to reach 1.0, and it’s still not really finished.
So I’ll be so generous and give this Cairo project 15 years of time to develop their shell to version 1.0. They obviously need to work faster than that because in 15 years Vista will be obsolete, but I’m giving them that time anyway.
yps
November 17, 2008
15 years for wine? then Duke Nukem takes 20 :))
come on, here is nothing to see. only a few old screens.
and there look like “Cairo Inspired” from deviantart.com. maybye thats the whole project *g*
ok, a clear proof is easy to do. make a short video and up to youtube.
then we will see
Kudo
November 19, 2008
I’m looking forward to the release of this shell. I’m starting to realize the flaws in Windows’ default one, and the available alternatives are very lackluster. I can appreciate the extended development time, as it will hopefully result in a more stable and featured solution. This is very significant if you ask me; there’s nothing quite like this out there.
TomGlenn
November 21, 2008
I can’t wait for this! Just heard about it, and it looks stunning!
trstn
November 24, 2008
I don’t buy that argument at all Joshiii-Kun. Wine may well have taken years of development to get to a version 1, - but people have been using it for years as well. The initial release was basic, and buggy, but it worked in some areas. Each new version has brought more functionality and better code, it’s at a v1 now because it’s reached the point it can be declared a proper released.
If the Cairo team aim to release a perfected shell with everything complete all in one I think they’re dreaming. And the lack of anything but photoshop mock ups supports that. This kind of closed development will mean people losing interest way before it actually comes out, and as technology speeds along it may well turn out to be a pointless releasing it anyway.
I was excited about this project, but I just don’t see anything happening with it. I can do mock ups and say that a project I’m working on now looks like this, but at the end of the day pictures are easy to fake and people quick to call vapour.
Joshiii-Kun
November 25, 2008
You’ve definitely got a point there trstn. Closed development is like that.
But I’ll keep an eye out on this nevertheless. If they choose to for closed development, I am to be patient and wait for them to publish results.
adam.setzler
December 8, 2008
I love how many are talking about project management and work flow, yet spelling and grammar are beyond most of them. I guess my surprise comes from assuming that these blurbs are actually the words of people who are … qualified.
So, Cairo Team, don’t even bother responding to these wannabes. Just delete their posts — and don’t feel conflicted about disposing garbage!
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